Clement of Alexandria wrote in 217 A.D.: “He who holds the sword must cast it away and that if one of the faithful becomes a soldier, he must be rejected by the Church, for he has scorned God.” No Christian is given the right to pick up the sword of war. Christians should refuse to kill, for the 8th commandment says: "You shall not murder." Matthew 5: 43-44 says, "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." The only time it is appropriate to wear a sword is to defend yourself. Jesus says to his disciples, "whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." Love and war can go together, if it is done on behalf of good and Jesus supports this in Revelations as he is the warrior king. God is the one who can wage his wrath in war, not his disciples.
The phrase "all is fair in love and war" simply justifies murder in the circumstances of war. However, this breaks the 8th commandment. Christians should not agree with this statement because if we do, we would be justifying an action that breaks God's commandments. God only justifies murder only if it is fought to bring justice (just-war theory). With regards to love, this mantra would break the 7th commandment in the cases of adultery. For example, if you are married to someone but fall in love with another, it would be a disobedience to the 7th commandment if you decided to continue an intimate relationship with someone who is not your spouse.
That quote is meant predominately to justify murder and adultery. Obviously, that contradicts the 6th and 7th commandments. It is a Machiavellian idea and depending on what was done to win a war, it could easily violate every commandment. It's important to Christians because we need to recognize neither of those are excuses for breaking a commandment.
The quote "all is fair in love and war" to me means that all rules are excluded in times of war and love. In war, it is said to be OK to murder and execute, but this goes against the 6th commandment. Just because the reason is war does not mean that you can throw out rules, especially God's rules. The same goes for love, you can not do whatever you please just because you are in love. It will still break the 7th commandment.
I believe that all is not fair in love and war. The bombing of innocent children, such as in Syria, should be considered unacceptable and unjust. The 6th Commandment warns against unnecessary killing of other human beings, and therefore, it isn't fair to bomb heavily-populated civilian areas such as hospitals and schools. Also, the 8th Commandment tells Christians not to steal. Often times, wars are fought in order to exact revenge on another country or take something valuable of theirs and claim it as one's own, which the 10th Commandment also warns against. Some wars are started due to fabrications or lies, and so we must adhere to the 9th Commandment, and exact honest, just wars. Wars fought to maintain peace and order in society, and to prevent a massive loss of innocent lives.
The coined phrase "all is fair in love and war" excuses laws and morals by saying instead that everything, under these circumstances, is permissible. The ten commandments however negate this way of thinking because they are not to be upheld some of the time but rather honored no matter what. Some of the commandments broken directly by those who abide by this phrase are the sixth commandment (you shall not murder), seventh commandment (you shall not commit adultery), eighth commandment (you shall not steal), ninth commandment (you shall not steal), and the tenth commandment (you shall not covet). The other five not listed can be violated in directly if the phrase "all is fair in love and war" is upheld. Christians are commanded to have mottoes and ethics that align with the Bible. The ten commandments are a template for the lives Christians should lead. They are not the ten suggestions either; they are the ten commandments. If an individual claims to be a Christina then they should condemn the mindset this phrase promotes because it directly and indirectly violates all of the ten commandments and does not honor how God would have his creations live.
The commandments teach the opposite of "all is fair in love and war". This statement is saying that everything is ok to do with no punishments. The first commandment is no Gods before me, but if all is fair in love you can love someone more than God.The second is not to make any idols. If all is fair in love you can make something you love an idol. The third is you should not misuse the name of God. If all is fair in love and war you can misuse you the name of God by killing someone. The seventh commandment is you should not murder. If all is fair you can get away with murder. If all is fair you can steal or cheat or whatever you need to to get ahead in life. Christians should not believe in this because it goes against everything the bible teaches.
If all is fair, then we break all the commandments. For example in love, one might break #10 by wanting another's S.O; #8 by stealing said S.O.; or #7 by cheating. In war one might break #4 by not keeping a day holy with uplifting actions; #6 by murdering, or #1 by putting yourself/country before God and obeying those commands instead of God's.
The phrase "all is fair in love and war" is just a saying that is used in order to make people feel less guilty about cheating and killing others. The ten commandments strongly forbid adultery and murder in the 7th and 6th commandments respectively. As we discussed in class, when one commandment is broken, all of them are broken as well.
That phrase is an excuse to murder and commit adultery. Even in war there must be rules. The Geneva Convention is the set of rules for war. Without rules in war, and if everything was fair, each war in history would have many more casualties. As Christians, we are called to protect life whenever we can. We should not agree with this phrase because agreeing with it would go against the core principle of Christianity. The 7th commandment goes against "All is fair in love" and the 8th commandment goes against "All is fair in war."
The statement is not true. There are rules in war as they are in love. You don't use some weapons in war and you don't do certain things to get love. You don't chest or break up a couple to get love. In war you dont use chemical weapons. While all might seem fair there are some serious repercussions to your actions.
The Ten Commandments are rules not to be broken and have unspoken repercussions attached. "All's fair in love and war" means that nothing has a consequence, which is very wrong. For example, commandment 6 says "thou shalt not kill", and the common mantra says that it is perfectly okay. This is incorrect because of laws put into place to send those lawbreakers to jail. There are many consequences that go with this common mantra.
Clement of Alexandria wrote in 217 A.D.: “He who holds the sword must cast it away and that if one of the faithful becomes a soldier, he must be rejected by the Church, for he has scorned God.” No Christian is given the right to pick up the sword of war. Christians should refuse to kill, for the 8th commandment says: "You shall not murder." Matthew 5: 43-44 says, "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." The only time it is appropriate to wear a sword is to defend yourself. Jesus says to his disciples, "whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." Love and war can go together, if it is done on behalf of good and Jesus supports this in Revelations as he is the warrior king. God is the one who can wage his wrath in war, not his disciples.
ReplyDeleteThe phrase "all is fair in love and war" simply justifies murder in the circumstances of war. However, this breaks the 8th commandment. Christians should not agree with this statement because if we do, we would be justifying an action that breaks God's commandments. God only justifies murder only if it is fought to bring justice (just-war theory). With regards to love, this mantra would break the 7th commandment in the cases of adultery. For example, if you are married to someone but fall in love with another, it would be a disobedience to the 7th commandment if you decided to continue an intimate relationship with someone who is not your spouse.
ReplyDeleteThat quote is meant predominately to justify murder and adultery. Obviously, that contradicts the 6th and 7th commandments. It is a Machiavellian idea and depending on what was done to win a war, it could easily violate every commandment. It's important to Christians because we need to recognize neither of those are excuses for breaking a commandment.
ReplyDeleteThe quote "all is fair in love and war" to me means that all rules are excluded in times of war and love. In war, it is said to be OK to murder and execute, but this goes against the 6th commandment. Just because the reason is war does not mean that you can throw out rules, especially God's rules. The same goes for love, you can not do whatever you please just because you are in love. It will still break the 7th commandment.
ReplyDeleteI believe that all is not fair in love and war. The bombing of innocent children, such as in Syria, should be considered unacceptable and unjust. The 6th Commandment warns against unnecessary killing of other human beings, and therefore, it isn't fair to bomb heavily-populated civilian areas such as hospitals and schools. Also, the 8th Commandment tells Christians not to steal. Often times, wars are fought in order to exact revenge on another country or take something valuable of theirs and claim it as one's own, which the 10th Commandment also warns against. Some wars are started due to fabrications or lies, and so we must adhere to the 9th Commandment, and exact honest, just wars. Wars fought to maintain peace and order in society, and to prevent a massive loss of innocent lives.
ReplyDeleteThe coined phrase "all is fair in love and war" excuses laws and morals by saying instead that everything, under these circumstances, is permissible. The ten commandments however negate this way of thinking because they are not to be upheld some of the time but rather honored no matter what. Some of the commandments broken directly by those who abide by this phrase are the sixth commandment (you shall not murder), seventh commandment (you shall not commit adultery), eighth commandment (you shall not steal), ninth commandment (you shall not steal), and the tenth commandment (you shall not covet). The other five not listed can be violated in directly if the phrase "all is fair in love and war" is upheld. Christians are commanded to have mottoes and ethics that align with the Bible. The ten commandments are a template for the lives Christians should lead. They are not the ten suggestions either; they are the ten commandments. If an individual claims to be a Christina then they should condemn the mindset this phrase promotes because it directly and indirectly violates all of the ten commandments and does not honor how God would have his creations live.
ReplyDeleteThe commandments teach the opposite of "all is fair in love and war". This statement is saying that everything is ok to do with no punishments. The first commandment is no Gods before me, but if all is fair in love you can love someone more than God.The second is not to make any idols. If all is fair in love you can make something you love an idol. The third is you should not misuse the name of God. If all is fair in love and war you can misuse you the name of God by killing someone. The seventh commandment is you should not murder. If all is fair you can get away with murder. If all is fair you can steal or cheat or whatever you need to to get ahead in life. Christians should not believe in this because it goes against everything the bible teaches.
ReplyDeleteIf all is fair, then we break all the commandments. For example in love, one might break #10 by wanting another's S.O; #8 by stealing said S.O.; or #7 by cheating. In war one might break #4 by not keeping a day holy with uplifting actions; #6 by murdering, or #1 by putting yourself/country before God and obeying those commands instead of God's.
ReplyDeleteThe phrase "all is fair in love and war" is just a saying that is used in order to make people feel less guilty about cheating and killing others. The ten commandments strongly forbid adultery and murder in the 7th and 6th commandments respectively. As we discussed in class, when one commandment is broken, all of them are broken as well.
ReplyDeleteThat phrase is an excuse to murder and commit adultery. Even in war there must be rules. The Geneva Convention is the set of rules for war. Without rules in war, and if everything was fair, each war in history would have many more casualties. As Christians, we are called to protect life whenever we can. We should not agree with this phrase because agreeing with it would go against the core principle of Christianity. The 7th commandment goes against "All is fair in love" and the 8th commandment goes against "All is fair in war."
ReplyDeleteThe statement is not true. There are rules in war as they are in love. You don't use some weapons in war and you don't do certain things to get love. You don't chest or break up a couple to get love. In war you dont use chemical weapons. While all might seem fair there are some serious repercussions to your actions.
ReplyDeleteThe Ten Commandments are rules not to be broken and have unspoken repercussions attached. "All's fair in love and war" means that nothing has a consequence, which is very wrong. For example, commandment 6 says "thou shalt not kill", and the common mantra says that it is perfectly okay. This is incorrect because of laws put into place to send those lawbreakers to jail. There are many consequences that go with this common mantra.
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